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Le temps et sa durée relative aux différents niveaux de rêve

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Cette problématique de la différence de vitesse d’écoulement du temps entre les différents niveaux de rêve est un des points crucial pour bien comprendre le film et faire des interprétations. Vous allez voir que cela permet, comme toujours, de pouvoir à peu près l’interprétation que l’on souhaite… mais c’est un des points très intéressants à étudier je trouve !

Amis d’Einstein, sortez vos calculettes, et regardons ceci de plus près ! :-)

On sait que 5 minutes dans la réalité égalent 1 heure dans le premier niveau de rêve. Cela vaut pour un sédatif « normal », par exemple celui utilisé pendant l’extraction sur Saito.

Avec le sédatif de Yussuf, il est dit que « le coefficient multiplicateur est de 20″, et que le temps d’endormissement dans la réalité est de 10h environ.

Donc :

  • Niveau N (réalité) : 10h de sommeil profond
  • Niveau N-1 : 20 x 10h = 200h = 8,33 jours, soit environ 1 semaine comme dit dans le film
  • Niveau N-2 : 20 x 8,33 jours = 166,66 jours, soit environ 6 mois comme dit dans le film
  • Niveau N-3 : 20 x 166,66 jours= 3333,33 jours = 9,66 années, soit environ 10 ans comme dit dans le film
  • Niveau N-4 (quasi limbes) : 20 x 9,66 années = 193 ans ! … voire infini si on considère que le N-4 est un vrai niveau de limbes.
  • Les limbes : infini ! On n’en sort donc pas tant que l’on ne se rend pas compte que ce n’est pas la réalité et que l’on ne meurt pas pleinement conscient de ceci pour s’en sortir.

On voit donc que la règle est linéaire.

Partant de là, on peut essayer d’en déduire le temps de sommeil approximatif de Cobb et Mall dans leur rêve partagé. Faisant bien entendu l’hypothèse qu’ils n’avaient pas à cette époque le sédatif de Yussuf, et qu’ils y sont entrés comme ci-dessus dans le niveau N-4 en s’enfonçant trop profondément dans leurs rêves.

On a vu que 5 minutes égalent 1 heure, soit un coefficient de 12. Ce qui nous donnerait pour 1h de sommeil :

  • Niveau N (réalité) : 1h de sommeil
  • Niveau N-1 : 12 x 1h = 12h
  • Niveau N-2 : 12 x 12h = 144h = 6 jours
  • Niveau N-3 : 12 x 6j = 72 jours
  • Niveau N-4 : 12 x 72j = 864 jours = 2,36 années
  • Niveau N-5 : 12 x 2,36 ans = 28,32 années

Or, ils ont fait un rêve d’environ 50 ans. donc 50 / 2,36 = 21h de sommeil dans la réalité environ si ils sont allés jusqu’à N-4… possible, mais assez peu plausible !

Par contre, 2h de sommeil dans la réalité leur permettrait de faire un rêve de 50 ans si ils vont jusqu’au N-5. Le N-4 étant des quasi limbes, on peut supposer que le N-5 en sont totalement ! Ils auraient donc sous cette hypothèse pû faire ce rêve de 50 ans en 2 heures, ce qui n’est pas contradictoire avec le fait qu’ils aient des enfants dans la réalité.

Cela a ainsi beaucoup d’importance pour déterminer si dans leur rêve commun dans leur ville qu’ils construisent pour eux, Cobb et Mall sont au premier niveau de rêve ou non. Ici on voit clairement que non, ils ont dû bien entendu s’enfoncer beaucoup plus loin.

On pourrait donc en déduire hâtivement que lorsqu’ils se suicident avec le train, ils ne sont pas au niveau N-1, donc ils ne reviennent pas à la réalité, donc Mall a raison en se suicidant à nouveau… donc tout le film n’est qu’un rêve !

MAIS, on ne sait pas vraiment si quand ils se suicident avec le train, ils sont bien au niveau des limbes, ou si la scène qui nous est montrée n’est pas déjà un niveau en-dessous (ils se seraient alors déjà suicidés plusieurs fois, sans qu’on nous le montre à l’écran… ce qui serait sacrément pervers !) :D Dans ce cas, peut être voit-on juste leur dernier suicide. Ca expliquerai aussi pourquoi ils sont jeunes dans cette scène du suicide du train, alors qu’ils étaient vieux dans les limbes (la scène du suicide n’est visiblement pas alors celle des limbes).

SAUF SI (hé hé… on peut encore aller chercher plus tordu !) le fait qu’ils se rendent compte dans les limbes que c’est un rêve fait que leurs projections qu’ils ont d’eux même redevient leur apparence « réelle », car ils admettent alors que ces 50 ans n’étaient qu’un rêve… Et en se suicidant ainsi, si on part de l’hypothèse qui dit que si on se suicide consciemment dans les limbe, « pouf ! », retour direct à la case départ (réalité) sans repasser par les différents niveaux de rêve précédents, alors cela voudrait dire que Mall avait tort en se suicidant… et « le tort tue »… c’est la cas de le dire ! :D

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    L’incohérence repose sur le fait que vous n’avez pas pris conscience qu’il s’agit d’un sédatif spécifique qui n’était pas appliqué avant et dont les effets ne peuvent pas être quantifiés correctement.
    « Les limbes » n’ont pas lieu de la même façon avec un sédatif normal car comme dit au début du film, au dela du niveau 1 déja, tout dérape très vite et là reveil.

    Le sédatif est puissant car il sert à stabiliser le rêve profond (niveau 2 et 3)
    le défaut étant qu’il impose 7 jours au niveau 1.
    ça, Cobb ne l’avait pas dit aux autres qui le découvrent au moment de la blessure de Saito.

    Par contre, ce qui se passe au niveau 2 et +, ça n’a aucune importance.

    Ils ont la musique pour avoir conscience qu’il faut se reveiller du niveau, à eux de mourrir, s’ils refusent, il y a la décharge qui leur impose le retour.
    Ils pourraient très bien mourrir au niveau 2 sans avoir à le faire au niveau 3, mais Cobb et Ariane sont en sommeil profond, il faut donc les ramener au niveau 1 rapidement.

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    Tout le monde se reveille sauf Saito qui est mort et Cobb car il est resté trop profondément dans son inconscient avec Mall.
    Le sort des 2 est donc scéllé.
    On peut se demander pourquoi Cobb n’a pas été forcé au reveil du au choc de l’eau dans le van, mais sa mort dans le van le condamne à érrer dans les limbes, sans structures définies pour un temps indeterminé dans sa tête.
    Le reveil de Cobb et Saito dans l’avion risquera d’être ceux de légumes.
    « pas de place pour les touristes » disait Saito, des risques inconsidérés pour Cobb étant donné son passé, ça aura eu raison d’eux

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      N-1 : 1 x 20 = 20h
      N-2 : 20 x 20 = 400h
      N-3 : 400 x 20 = 8000h
      N-4 : 8000 x 20 = 160 000h = 18,3 ans
      N-5 : 160 000 x 20 = 3 200 000h = 365 ans
      50 / 365 = 0,14h = 8,4min
      On a donc un sommeil de 8,4 minutes s’ils vont jusqu’au N-5 ce qui me paraît peu plausible.
      Cependant, si Cobb et Mal s’arrêtent à N-4, on a :
      50 / 18,3 = 2,7h ce qui est beaucoup plus plausible, ils se sont donc arrêtés à N-4.

      CONCLUSION : Avec un sédatif classique t x 12^N avec t temps de sommeil dans la réalité et N le niveau de rêve atteint, le couple atteint le niveau N-5 comme bien expliqué dans le blog.
      Avec un puissant sédatif t x 20^N, le couple s’arrête au niveau N-4.
      Or Yussuf dit clairement dans le film qu’emboîter autant de niveaux de rêves avec un sédatif classique serait trop instable. Le couple s’est donc procuré un sédatif aussi puissant que pour l’inception de Fisher et s’est arrêté au niveau N-4. Le niveau N-5 n’a alors pour moi jamais été montré dans le film.

  670. YouLie dit :

    Pour information le niveau -4 ce sont les limbes…
    Avion : réalité
    1er niveau : le van (rêve de Yusuf)
    2ème niveau : l’hôtel (rêve d’Arthur)
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  672. bobodry dit :

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    L’image ou l’on voit cobb et mall allongé sur les rails n’est qu’une interprétation, il s’agit enfaite de ne pas découvrir combien de temps ils y sont resté à cet instant du film mais plus loin dans le film on peut voir une image avec les mains de cobb et de mall l’une dans l’autre juste à coté du rails et celles-ci sont ridés comme des mains de personnes âgées (à 2:13:09 du film) cet instant ne dur que 2 seconds donc certaines personnes ont du le louper, ils sont donc resté tout les deux 50 ans dans leurs rêves.

    je pense que le fait de se suicider dans les limbes en étant conscient que ce monde n’existe pas réveille l’intéressé, de plus cobb porte une alliance durant les rêves alors qu’il n’en à pas dans la réalité. En sachant le nombre d’années qu’a mit NOLAN pour réaliser ce film je doute que ces détails soient des simple hasard ou des défaut de tournage.

  673. bobodry dit :

    Justement, un indice cloche pour moi : on ne voit que pendant une seule scène Cobb et Mall vieux ensembles, ce qui suggère qu’ils ont effectivement vieilli ensemble dans leur rêve, pourtant pendant leur « saut » allongés sur la ligne de train, ils sont à nouveaux jeunes… le rêve dans lequel ils vieillissent ensemble était-il un rêve plus profond, et si oui, comment en sont-ils revenus?

  674. Greg dit :

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    Étant donné la justesse du 1er calcul (sédatif normal) on ne peut douter du second. Et je suppose que nolan a fait au moins aussi bien ;)
    Cela prouve donc bien qu’il existe encore un niveau inférieur a celui ou se rende cobb et Ariane pour récupérer Fisher….

    • P. Lester dit :

      et cela expliquerait que saito soit visible au début en vieillard…c’est alors une projection de Cobb très certainement, au sein du rêve de Saito.

      • Greg A. dit :

        Petite interrogation d’ailleurs a ce sujet : le film commence par cobb rejeté par les vagues se noyant presque avant de rencontrer saito vieux.
        N’y a t il pas un lien avec la chute du van dans l’eau ? Est-ce que cela ne voudrait pas dire que cobb est bien revenu au niveau 1 avant de mourrir noyé ?

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