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Théorie du « Combat intérieur de Dom Cobb »

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Selon cette théorie, l’essentiel du film se passe dans la réalité (donc ce qu’on voit tout le film qui est exposé comme la réalité l’est vraiment), mais la fin du film (à partir du « réveil » dans l’avion) se trouve dans un rêve :

  • Cobb et Mall ont vécu leur expérience de partage des rêves, s’y sont perdus, mais Cobb a repris pied avec la rélité, a pratiqué une inception sur Mall, et ils sont revenus à la VRAIE réalité
  • L’inception ayant trop bien fonctionné, Mall se suicide le soir de leur anniversaire de mariage, pensant qu’elle était encore dans un rêve, pour revenir à la réalité. Elle se tue réellement, elle avait tort !

Consulter entre autres la section L’histoire de Cobb et Mall pour plus de détails sur cette partie de l’histoire.

  • Cobb vit donc dans la réalité avec le remord de se sentir responsable de la mort de sa femme, il est hanté par son souvenir, et la frustration de ne pas pouvoir retrouvé ses enfants, qu’il n’a pas vus depuis 2 ans, car il est recherché sur le sol américain, accusé du meurtre de sa femme.
  • Dans cette réalité, il pratique bien l’extraction ratée sur Saito, qui l’engage pour réaliser l’inception réussie sur Fisher Jr, afin de pouvoir retrouver enfin ses enfants (Saito s’engage pour cela à lui faire passer les contrôles de sécurité via ses relations puissantes).
  • Pendant cette mission, Cobb reste bloqué dans les limbes (niveau 5), en voulant aller y récupérer Fisher Jr après que Mall l’ait tué dans le niveau 4.
  • En effet, Cobb rencontre Mall dans ces limbes, et elle essaie de le convaincre que la réalité de Cobb n’est en fait qu’un niveau de rêve, mais Cobb refuse d’y croire, refuse de repartir des limbes avec Ariane lors de la décharge finale alors qu’il en a l’occasion, et choisit de rester dans les limbes pour ramener Saito.
  • En effet, Cobb a besoin que Saito se réveille dans la réalité et ne soit pas perdu dans les limbes, car c’est lui qui a le pouvoir de lui faire retrouver ses enfants. Sans cet épilogue, la mission « réussie » d’inception sur Fisher ne l’est pas, puisque c’était l’objectif de Saito. Celui de Cobb est de retrouver ses enfants.
  • Après la décharge finale donc, tout le monde se réveille, sauf Cobb qui erre dans les limbes à la recherche de Saito. Il se perd à son tour dans les limbes, où le temps passe très vite par rapport à la réalité.
  • A partir de là, tout ce que l’on voit n’est plus la réalité !
  • On assiste au rêve de Cobb, à ce qu’il rêve dans les limbes. Et dans ce rêve, perdu pour toujours, il va s’inventer SON monde merveilleux à lui tout seul, comme il l’avait fait avec Mall quand ils s’étaient construits leur ville imaginaire : il va s’inventer une « happy end » où il se réveille dans l’avion, où il ramène Saito des limbes, qui honore son contrat, et où il retrouve ses enfants… Alors que dans la réalité, il est certainement toujours endormi dans l’avion, et il restera dans ce « coma ».

Ainsi, partant de cette hypothèse, la fin du film est la suivante :

  • On le voit retrouver Saito vieux dans les limbes pour lui rappeler son contrat : le faire passer les contrôles de sécurité. Ils se tuent peut être avec le pistolet afin de revenir à la réalité, ce qui n’est théoriquement pas trop possible dans les limbes… mais on s’en fout puisque nous sommes dans le rêve de Cobb, il fait ce qu’il veut, les règles n’ont plus de sens, il fantasme sa fin heureuse pour peupler son rêve dans les limbes… !
  • Lorsqu’il se « réveille » dans l’avion, il y a comme un « flottement » : tout le monde semble le regarder avec insistance, ce qui est normal, car c’est Cobb le rêveur.
  • Cobb passe bien entendu les contrôles sans problèmes, et retrouve Miles, son mentor, la figure paternelle qui lui a tout appris, car cela le rassure, et car c’est ce scénario qu’il a dû s’imaginer en rêve (hé hé!) dans la réalité quand il s’imaginait le jour où il pourrait retrouver ses enfants !
  • Pour finir, il se voit enfin revenir chez lui, et retrouver ses enfants. Ils sont légèrement différents des scènes de ses souvenirs, car pour que son rêve qu’il se fait soit crédible, il les a bien fait grandir de 2 ans. Mais n’ayant pas de vraie photo/vision de ses enfants depuis ces 2 ans dans la réalité, il les rêve comme il les a conservés ancrés dans ses souvenirs, c’est à dire l’image d’eux jouant, de dos, avec les mêmes habits…
  • La toupie ne s’arrêtera pas, ou peut être que si… finalement on s’en moque, car il est dans son rêve des limbes, et ce totem n’est pas le sien… Il la lance et va rejoindre ses enfants sans vérifier ce que va faire la toupie, il s’en maque, pour lui il est dans la réalité qui le rendra apaisé et heureux, le reste n’a plus d’importance.

J’aime beaucoup cette théorie, qui sans avoir les défauts de celle de « Roméo et Juliette » (trop de suppositions non confirmées par un élément concret du film), se termine dans un rêve à la fin du film, ce qui pour moi est évident vu l’atmosphère ressentie à la fin, jusque dans la mise en scène (musique, lumière…). Ce ne peut pas être la réalité à mon sens.

De nombreux éléments tangibles vont dans son sens, et symboliquement, l’histoire racontées est dramatique et belle : le combat intérieur d’un homme qui essaie d’oublier le souvenir douloureux de sa femme décédée, dont il était amoureux fou, et son combat réel pour retrouver enfin ses enfants, aller de l’avant, et continuer à vivre.

Snif… c’est si beau !!

Note : Cette théorie est équilibrée je trouve. Elle a été réalisée à partir de la théorie proposée par un des visiteurs de ce blog,  « moon-reunion ». Merci donc à lui pour ses réflexions et ses efforts de synthèse afin de nous exposer sa vision des choses et son interprétation de la fin du film Inception. Vous pouvez aller lire le commentaire original de « moon-reunion » dans la section Vos interprétations de la fin du film Inception.

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    J aime beaucoup votre analyse. Peu importe qu il soit dans le reve ou dans la realite. Notre realite est toujours faite de nos propres inventions, de ce que l on croit. Le plus interessant dans Inception est: comment Cobb a change sa realite, sa croyance par rapport a Mail qui l enfermait dans la culpabilite et dans le desir de la retrouver encore et encore pour revrir sans cesse la meme scene ou il donne tout pouvoir a Mail de le culpabiliser »Mail tire sa force de la culpabilite de Cobb ». A la fin quand Cobb est dans les limbes pour ramener Saito il se retrouve avec Mail qui a nouveau lui dit « tu m avais promis….tu m avais promis…qu on vieillirait ensemble » cette fois Cobb lui repond une phrase qui met fin a son calvaire… »mais c est ce qu on a fait Mail on a vieilli ensemble…tu ne te souviens pas? « . Cette scene est magnifique. il se libere. Ce qu il realise a ce moment en y associant des images de 2 personnes agees de dos dont on ne voit pas les visages et je trouve le moment decisif du film et de La vie de Cobb. Peut importe le questionnement du reve ou de la realite de la fin puisqu il peut desormais vivre une autre vie la vie quil a choisi et dans laquelle il est apaise et heureux . C est sa nouvelle realite…
    Mettre en scene de cette facon la puissance de la sggestion mentale pour changer nos realites inconsciente confirme le genie de Christopher Nolan et de son frere Jonathan.
    Magnifique

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  624. contre inception dit :

    Il faut commencer avec la premiere scene, Saito dans les limbes. J ai rencontrer une personne dans un reve a demi effacé. Un homme possessed by radical concept.
    Et la derniere scene des limbes du film. Cobb finit la phrase de Saito contrairement a la premiere scene.

    Donc l inception ne peut s adresser qu a deux personnes cible reelement. Soit Fischer, inception mener alors par Cobb et son equipe. Prendre la baguei comme repere pour distinguer realite et reve. Ceci dit tous les perso n ont aucun passé et ne l evoque jamais. Sauf une inception evoque par eames le faussaire. Il n y a aucune scene qui presente la navigation d un lieu a un autre. Seul l histoire d amour mal et cobb semble etre le socle du film et l evocation des compagnies surpuissantes n est en aucun cas visible physiquement, technologie, affiche publicitaire, etc et ne sont symbolisé que par fischer jr maurice, browning, saito. Leur puissance n intervient que resoudre le conflit interieur de cobb. Donc il faut focaliser l attention du spectateur sur cobb et qu il s identifie a lui. 1er niveau alors du reve, je suis un extracteur de talent, mais en meme temps que je doisvresoudre mon gonflit interieur je viens d echouer mon extraction contre un puissant qui inéluctablement me pousse a fuir et me mettre au vert. Alors que je suis dans une chambre d hotel a Kyoto, je fais tourner mon totem menacant de me coller une balle si celui ci ne tombe pas. L inception est lancé. Fuyant deux multinationnal, mes enfants me contact a peine que la toupie tombe et que je ne me suicide pas. C est a cette scene, que Nolan l architecte lance definitivement les projection du spectateur contre lui meme. Va t il ce perdre dans le labyrinthe du film, reve partage de niveau -1, cobb etant une projection du spectateur qui se retrouve envahi par ses regrets ses remords et qui va se perdre dansbl irrealite de chaque niveau de reve du film jusqu a faire de la toupie son propre totem, le generique de fin et sa musique signifie la fin du reve partager avec cette idee implante en soi, le film, cobb n est pas limétaphoriquementcore, et voir la phrase de eames pour l inception n ayant pas fonctionné. Et chaque fois qu un spectateur regarde le film, il peut se considerer comme cobb dans son ascenseur. Il ne peut plus que rever comme ca. Le film est une tentative de reve partage, métaphoriquement.

  625. Lehnisch dit :

    Bonjour, il y a plusieurs choses que je n’ai pas comprises.
    Déjà, comment sait où on va « atterrir » dans le rêve, comment « choisis » t-on (a moins que ce soit l’architecte qui crée le rêve de a à z mais dans ce cas pourquoi ne se fait-elle pas attaquer plus tôt par les projections du rêveur * ) ?
    Ensuite, après le lieu, comment sait-on avec quelle équipement nous allons être dans le rêve ? Par ce que si c’est « aléatoire » il y a un pourcentage de chance proche de zéro pour qu’il arrive avec un équipement aussi développé . Est ce l’architecte encore une fois * ?
    * Et non ça ne peut pas être elle le rêveur parce que a la base elle ne devait pas venir avec eux.

    Quelque correction sur l’article:
    Tous ce qui est exposé comme la réalité ne l’ai pas forcément. Par exemple, au tout début où on le voit avec Seito dans les limbes.
    Ensuite, les limbes ne sont pas niveau 5 mais 4 (sauf si on compte la réalité comme un niveau)

    Quelque trucs pour ceux qui n’ont pas compris les séquences sur les limbes.
    Au début, Cobb vient chercher Seito (qui a beaucoup vieilli) dans les limbes. A ce moment là, il peuvent se tuer pour retourner a la réalité, mais il ne le pouvait pas avant car le sédatif faisait encore effet; ce qui explique que Seito a attendu Cobb avant de se tuer, Cobb étant comme un « signal » disant que le sédatif avait cesser de faire effet (Cobb a une meilleure notion du temps que lui dans les limbes puisqu’il a déjà passer plusieurs dizaines d’années avec Mall. De plus, on peut supposer que Seito a fait du rêve sa réalité).
    Comme Cobb a laisser passer sa chance du « coup de fouet » pour récupérer Seito, ils sont donc obligés d’attendre que le sédatif ai fini de faire effet pour se tuer, soit une dizaine d’heure en tout dans la réalité, et donc un peu près 50 ans dans les limbes (d’où l’age de Seito).

  626. Bleu vert orange dit :

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  627. Lokaez dit :

    Ne pas écouter, totalement faux. A la fin il est bien dans la réalité et non pas un rêve. Bonne démarche mais juste à la fin cest pas assez réfléchi pour dire qu’il est dans un reve

  628. Abyssin dit :

    À ces 2 moments Mal n’est pas morte, c’est normal qu’il ai son alliance.
    J’étais certain que la fin était un rêve avant de tomber sur cette démonstration il y a 5 minutes mais il n’y a plus de doute… J’aurais préféré une fin moins rose dommage.

  629. Melk dit :

    Et sinon personne a penser au fait qu’il y ai plusieurs types de fin possible car le scénario est hyper mal ficelé? Certains crient au chef d’œuvre mais quelque soit la « vrai explication » ce film n’a pas grand chose d’intéressant. Il n’y a dans toute la durée du film pratiquement rien qui laisse place a la réflexion et Nolan nous balance une fin sujet a énormément d’interprétations pour embrouiller le spectateur alors que la vrai explication est surement la plus simple.
    Aller regarder The Foutain si vous voulez voir un vrai chef d’œuvre avec une complexité de ouf, ou chaque détails, chaque minute du film est primordial pour en comprendre sa totalité. Le seul film ou il faut vraiment le regarder mini 2 fois pour comprendre. Et quand tu le mattes une 3eme fois et que toutes les pièces du puzzle sont en places c’est l’extase totale. Inception est en très très loin.

  630. Julien dit :

    Quand Dom Cobb est dans un rêve, il porte toujours une bague sur sa main gauche.
    Quand il est dans la réalité, il en porte pas.
    A la fin du film, il est bel et bien dans la réalité ;)

    • leojacks dit :

      Je l’ai vu ça. Mais je pense que quand il arrive dans les limbes, il rencontre mall et elle de prend une balle. Et a ce moment la il refuse de rester avec elle, il s’en sépare. Donc peut être qu’il l’a définitivement oublié et il ne portera plus jamais de bague, réalité ou non. Il est possible que Nolan est fait une finte la dessus, ou alors c’est une erreur de scripte, ou un scénario incohérent

    • limbesman dit :

      bonjour a tous.
      Pour vous aider a mieux comprendre le film, sachez aussi qu’un rêve ne commence jamais là où on s’est endormi. Si ça t’arrive dans le sommeil c’est du somnambulisme non un rêve.
      Pour comprendre le film il faut connaitre le début de l histoire. Le film commence dans les limbes ou Cobbs est amené par les gardes de Saito. celui-ci voit le totem de Cobbs sur la table.
      Ensuite, c est le début de l’histoire. on voit comment Saito (jeune cette fois-ci) a connu Cobbs ainsi de suite jusqu’à ce qu’on se retrouve de nouveau chez Saito (la même scène qu’au début du film). Si Saito accepte de mourir dans les limbes il reviendra au troisième niveau et il revivra entre temps l’effet du sédatif va se dissiper ils vont tous se réveiller dans l avion dans la réalité (en rappel, l’effet du sédatif dure environ 10h dans la réalité, soit 50 ans dans les limbes d’où l’age avancé de Saito). Tout le monde regarde Cobbs parce qu’ils sont surpris qu’il ait réussit a ramener Saito dans la réalité. Et là Saito se rappel du marché, dont il viennent de parler dans les limbes, il décroche le téléphone et honore sa part du marché. il reste alors 20mn avant qu’Ils arrivent a l’Aéroport de LA. La toupie est uniquement là a la fin du film pour semer le douter dans l esprit du spectateur. En plus force est reconnaître que certaines partie du film manquent de cohérence. Par exemple, Saito parle de six places a Mombassa alors qu’ils étaient 5 a faire le voyage en ce moment, ils seront six quand Cobbs acceptera que Arianne les accompagne, chose que Saito ne pouvait savoir a Mombassa. Ou par exemple 3mn du niveau 2 font une heure au troisième niveau et 2mn font 20mn dans le même niveau.
      J espère avoir aidé à comprendre le film.

    • fati saga dit :

      exactement . il met la bague seulement dans ses rêves ou dans ses vrais souvenirs . bien dit donc la fin c’est la pure réalité

  631. Salam dit :

    Inception : Fait de faire germer un idée dans l’esprit d’une tiers personne, pour moi s’est simple, vous cherchez une fin alors qu’il n’y en a pas. La seule fin est celle qui germera dans votre esprit, s’est le principe même de l’inception.

  632. Arielle dit :

    J’ai une question qui pourrait paraître conne mais quand on est dans le rêve de quelqu’un on voit les projections du rêveur ? Et seulement celle du rêveur ???

  633. barbossa dit :

    Il y a une scène qui me laisse perplexe. la scène du suicide de Mail. Cette scène est présentée comme la réalité, ou Mail saute pour se tuer, pensant être dans un rêve. Question : pourquoi saute t’elle de l’immeuble d’en face ? que fait t’elle là ? de plus, l’appartement qui se trouve derrière elle est étrangement similaire à celui ou est Cobb, en face. Dans ma recherche d’explication sur internet, rien de cette scène n’y est évoqué. Serais-je le seul à avoir remarquer ça ? merci de me répondre.

    • PoeSertie dit :

      C plus pratique pour le scénario et le visu qu’elle soit en face ! Sinon, Cobb aurait pu l’empêcher de sauter ! Et il n’y aurait pas d’histoire ni de dilmemme, ni de film !

      A moins que tu ne préfères être Marion Cotillard ?

    • lima dit :

      elle est en face de Cobb car elle lui dit qu’elle veut qu’ils sautent en même temps tout les deux

  634. oweoddry dit :

    Je viens de re-regarder le film.
    En décortiquant la fin dont je me souvenais on se rend compte de plusieurs détails :

    Lorsque Cobb est dans le 1er niveau de rêve il rate complétement le coup de fouet mais aurait pu survivre à la chute de la camionette, au second niveau il devrait mourir dans l’ascenseur et au 3ème dans l’écroulement de la base. Il semble donc qu’il n’aurait aucun moyen de revenir et soit bel et bien perdu dans les limbes.
    Lorsqu’il y retrouve saito l’age avancé de celui-ci ne s’éxplique pas vraiment à mon sens sinon que celui-ci est arrivé dans les limbes avant lui (le 4eme niveau de rêve ne serait pas les limbes mais le monde créé avec Mall).
    Il se retrouve au château de saito, oui mais comment? Même question quand il s’échappe de la, il se retrouve dans l’avion mais lui même semble se demander comment.
    La suite mélange souvenirs et imagination avec ses enfants ayant grandis mais restant les mêmes.
    Lorsque Mall s’est perdu dans leurs monde elle avait arrêté sa toupie. A la fin la toupie se met à tourner, mais lorsqu’il voit ses enfants elle commence a légèrement vaciller, ne serait-ce pas dû au fait que Cobb commence à confondre rêve et réalité et que ce rêve devient sa réalité car il y a retrouvé ce qu’il a toujours cherché? (je pense que cette question restera sans réponse.)

    En tout cas pour moi il ne fait aucun doute que Cobb s’est bel et bien perdu dans les limbes.

  635. nnatthang dit :

    Mais comment pouvez vous approuvez cette théorie parce que j’ai aussi vu la video de l’histoire de l’alliance de Cobb, et franchement c’est plausible a mort, quelqu’un a une suggestion please ? :)

    • mmx dit :

      Il n’a plus d’alliance car dans les limbes il a rompu avec Mall, il s’est enfin débarrassé du fantôme de celle-ci et donc, son subconscient s’est débarrasser de son alliance!

      • YoYo dit :

        Pourtant il a l’alliance quand il mange avec saito vieux…

        • PoeSertie dit :

          Justement, il a l’alliance !
          Il sort de son rêve de retrouver ses enfants sur son « happy end « se retrouve rejeté sur la plage. L’explication de cette situation vient à la suite de la scène et tu as tout le film pour te divertir…
          PoeSertie

        • Romain dit :

          Je suis completement d’accord avec toi. Il a encore l’alliance dans les limbes donc tout cet article n’est pas la bonne explication a mon sens, la bague reste la plus proche surtout vu comment di caprio cache souvent sa main.
          Ce qui mintrigue le plus maintenant c est comment revient il dans l’avion ?

  636. Poularde dit :

    Bonjour,

    Quand on écrit un scénario aussi complexe que celui-ci il y a des détails qui échappent, des liens qui se perdent, des liens qui se créent sans même les avoir choisis… L’art c’est aussi l’ouverture, vers tout, en tout.

    Parfois le scénariste se perd lui même dans son scénario, ça le fait rire et au final ça lui plait aussi comme ça.

    La logique et la vérité n’ont pas trop leur place ici. Même si le débat est constructif, accepter qu’il n’y ait pas de finalité est aussi une solution ;-)

  637. Olivier dit :

    A mon avis la solution n’existe pas, c’est bien pour ça que l’image s’arrête avant que ne tombe la toupie.

    A la rigueur c’est un pied de nez pour faire douter le spectateur (ou un inception si vous voulez… )

    Dom ne regarde plus la toupie, car il a fait son deuil de Mal et de toutes ces questions, il a retrouvé ses enfants (dans le rêve ou la réalité) et c’est le principal (d’ailleurs le plus flippant n’est pas la toupie mais James qui parle de construire une maison sur la falaise, ce qui nous renvoi à la première scène, les enfants ne seraient alors pas des projections, mais les architectes…!!! )
    Mais bon , rien ne sert de se triturer trop le cerveau, Dom est passé à autre chose c’est le principal…

    D’ailleurs la phrase qui résume tout ça, c’est celle du train… « tu sais où tu espères qu’il te conduira, mais tu ne peux en être sûr, mais ça n’a pas d’importance, car vous serez ensemble… »

  638. Pimousse dit :

    & personne ne s’est jamais demandé, puisque Cobb se « réveille » dans l’avion, comment a-t’il pu y rentrer s’il dormait ? Vous avez déjà vu un mec qui dort passer les barrages de sécurités des aéroports vous ?

  639. Shakenza dit :

    Vous n’avez rien compris au film, a la fin il est bel et bien dans la réalité. Regarder le film quand il pense a ses enfants, il voit toujours sa fille avec une robe toute rose et des chaussures noires, et son fils en pantalon chasseur beige. Mais a la fin du film sa fille porte une robe rose avec un tshirt blanc en bas et de chaussures rose, et son fils un pantalon kaki. Ceci prouve qu’il n’est plus dans ses souvenirs car dans ses souvenirs, ses enfants sont toujours vêtu de la même manière, (robe toute rose pour sa fille et pantalon beige pour son fils). Donc voilà c’était un détail subtil mais faut avoir l’œil pour le remarquer. Donc arrêter avec vos théories de merde. Merci

    • Racky dit :

      Tu as le droit d’avoir la haine contre quelque chose, mais ici, personne ne t’a agressé, tu peux garder tes insultes. Ce blog n’a pas la prétention de détenir la vérité, il a pour vocation de réunir les idées de tous en débattant d’éléments divers et variés autour d’un film qui a touché certaines personnes. Toutes les remarques sont à considérer, ta remarque sur les vêtements des enfants est défendable. Tu aurais pu t’abstenir de critiquer le travail constructif des autres, ton commentaire aurait gagné en crédibilité. Au lieu de ça, tu pollues le débat, bravo !

      • Luug dit :

        Shakenza ne pollue pas le débat puisqu’elle y apporte une contribution juste, tellement juste qu’elle le clôt. Cet argument qui se fonde sur le détail vestimentaire des enfants est décisif : la fin est bien réelle et imaginer le contraire montre que l’on n’a effectivement rien compris au film, ceci dit sans aucune agressivité (d’autant plus que j’ai longtemps été comme vous dans l’indécision pour interpréter cette fin !).

        Il faut simplement admettre que ce film est simplement aussi interprétable et compréhensible que tous les autres avec la particularité, il faut le reconnaitre, qu’il faut regarder bien attentivement Inception pour remarquer les détails des vêtements des enfants. Il existe aussi un autre détail très précis qui corrobore cette idée de réalité.

        Ce film n’est ni hermétique ni mystérieux mais il exige d’être regardé avec beaucoup d’attention. Il n’est pas si torturé et c’est aussi bien.

        • Tomsnakeye dit :

          Ou alors inconsciemment Cobb s’est rendu compte de cette manie qu’il a de les imaginer toujours dans les mêmes vêtements, et toujours inconsciemment il les imagines habillés différemment, comme si leur vêtements étaient une projection, afin de se persuader d’être dans la réalité. Ceci marche également pour l’alliance, son absence peut être une projection afin encore de croire tout ça réel.

  640. Matt dit :

    Voici l’explication trouvée et prouvée par un spectateur comme quoi Dom est bel et bien dans la réalité =)

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10a7hb_l-explication-de-la-fin-du-film-inception_shortfilms

  641. Maxou enforce dit :

    Je pense que ce film peut avoir plusieurs fin à interprêter :) Mais la principale doit être qu’il réussit sa mission et rentre chez lui voir ses enfants.

  642. Mélanie dit :

    Ma thèse très courte est que Cobb a tout simplement réussi sa mission et a réussi a convaincre Saito de se donner la mort dans les limbes en lui rappelant leur marché , Cobb s’est alors réveillé car il n’était pas bloqué dans les limbes , sa décharge était la mort de Saito. Il retrouve ensuite ses enfants. Il ne faut pas se torturer l’esprit avec « Cobb est dans un reve depuis le debut » ou « il est dans les limbes » (bien que ce totem n’est pas le sien a l’origine , la toupie s’arrete a la fin) ( De plus pour les plus septiques il y a l’histoire de l’alliance que Cobb a sur son doigt quand il rêve et n’a plus quand il est dans la réalité . A la dernière scène , il ne l’a pas )

  643. puit dit :

    merci.
    nolan nous a livré un film foutraque pour nous faire mouliner .
    alors que tout cela n’a aucun sens .

  644. Romain dit :

    J’ai peut être tort mais il est vrai que Cobb est peut être dans un rêve tout le long du film.
    Je n’aime pas cette idée mais un ami m’en à fais part et il n’a peut être pas faux.

    Cobb va tester un sédatif pour que les rêves durent plus lomgtemps.
    A ce moment la il va dans un pays étranger, et découvre un 10 de personne allongé tous réuni par unfil ou le sedatif passe.
    Cobb va tester le sedatif en question, va rêver de sa femme, et va instantanément se réveillé.
    Celui-ci va dans la salle de bain et fais tourner la toupie, a ce moment la saito intervient.
    Cobb surpris fait tomber la toupie. ainsi lui et nous, téléspectateurs… Ne pouvons pas savoir si il se trouve bien dans un rêve ou non.

    • Nicolas dit :

      Salut.
      Je n’adhère pas à ta théorie.
      Si la réalité de Cobb dans le film n’était qu’un rêve de niveau 1, qu’est-ce qui empêcherait Mall de l’y rejoindre, vu qu’elle serait encore en vie? En la revoyant dans sa réalité, il se rendrait compte qu’il a tort et qu’il peut ressortir de ce rêve pour la retrouver.

  645. Puila dit :

    Il y a une chose au quelle les gens de cette théorie n’ont pas pensé on dirait :
    il est possible de sortir des limbes vu que Fisher et la fille le font (en sautant)

    • hsiangfu dit :

      1 – Bien vu Puila. 2 – l’hypothèse « tout le monde le regarde dans l’avion car c’est son rêve » ne tient pas. Normalement, ce sont les intrus que les projections regardent d’après ce qu’on voit dans tout le film. Tout le monde le regarde simplement parce qu’ils sont contents de le voir revenir sain d’esprit et pas complètement cinglé. 3 – Pure supposition. 4 – Pure conjecture. 5 – On voit clairement la toupie tressauter avant que l’image coupe, pas du tout le cas dans les rêves.
      Je suis plutôt partisan du rasoir d’Ockham…

  646. Laurent dit :

    Bonjour à tous!

    Après une ènième vision du film, la solution me semble évidente: il suffit de regarder la main gauche de Cobb. Si il porte une alliance, il est dans un rêve. S’il n’en porte pas, il est dans la réalité. C’est le cas pendant tout le film: alliance en rêve, pas d’alliance dans la réalité.

    Quand il passe la sécurité de l’aéroport, il n’a pas d’alliance. Il a donc réussi à sortir des limbes à temps.

    • Dany dit :

      Salut! Bon, content que quelques-uns parlent encore de ce film que j’ai rereregardé aujourd’hui.
      Le problème de la fin tourne autour de cette toupie. On est tous d’accord, À priori (sur la nature du problème).

      MAIS…

      Plutôt que de se demander si Cobb se retrouve dans la réalité ou pas, il faudrait plutôt se demander sur la raison de ce dernier plan. Plutôt que d’exposer un fait, c’est peut-être un message, que cette toupie nous dévoile, sur notre héros.

      Et là, pourquoi pas se concentrer sur la façon de raconter de Nolan? En prenant l’exemple de Batman – The Dark Knight Rises. Et donc, de sa fin. Wayne et Cobb ont un point commun: ils sont prisonniers. De leur idée.

      Wayne, c’est son personnage dont il ne peut se défaire, qu’il n’imagine pas vivre sans… et Cobb, au délà de sa culpabilité envers Malle, c’est ce doute qu’il partage avec elle (surtout qu’elle reste une projection de ce qu’il pense encore un peu au fond de lui), sur cette réalité qui pourrait n’être finalement qu’un rêve.

      À la fin de Rises, Wayne est guéri. Il a réussi à trouver une seconde vie, comme l’a tant imaginé Alfred. Il a non seulement abandonné Batman (comme il l’avait fait au début du film en se laissant presque mourir), mais cette fois il n’en a plus BESOIN.

      Cobb, lui, bon, d’abord, a retrouvé ses enfants. Mais au delà de ça, le message de la toupie qu’on nous délivre pourrait bien être: Cobb n’a plus BESOIN de vérifier s’il est dans la réalité ou pas. Il l’est sans doute, d’ailleurs. Mais l’important n’est pas qu’on ne voit pas cette toupie tomber, même si elle vacille. L’important c’est que Cobb (LUI, alors que nous, SI ;) ) ne la regarde plus. Il n’est plus dépendant.

      Comme Bruce Wayne, non seulement il est libre, mais en plus il est guéri de ses mondes de rêve.

      • Rakcy dit :

        Bravo, j’adhère à 100%. La toupie nous rendrait compte de l’état d’esprit de Cobb, de son état émotionnel, et non de l’état physique de rêve ou de réalité. Aussi, a la fin, comme il a fait le deuil et ne se sent plus prisonnier la toupie ne s’arrête pas (il est pourtant dans la réalité). Et c’est plutôt la bague qui nous dit si c’est une phase de rêve ou de réalité. Tu m’as convaincu.

    • globoxlegrand dit :

      Bravo mec c’est intelligent de piquer les théories des autres pour essayer de se donner un peu de prprestige^^ Mais bon… Chacun sa manière de vivre après tout… En tous cas, tu sert a rien^^

  647. LSD dit :

    Et si le film était une inception en-soi : Nolan réussi a implanter au spectateur l’idée que son œuvre possède une explication cohérente… l’incitant ainsi à voir et à revoir le film, afin dans débattre.

    Quelque soit l’interprétation qu’on choisi à la fin du film, notre première pensée à tous n’a-t-elle pas été : « il faut que je le revois pour en être sûr » !?

  648. incept dit :

    Tu dis que Cob es le reveur et que tout le monde le regarde avec insistance dans l’avion, FAUX. Uniquement le groupe de braqueur, preuve ni fisher ni l’hotesse n’a regarder Cob avec insistance, et si vous vous demandez pourquoi les cables sont absents au reveil de Cob, c’est Logique, sachant que Fisher c’est a quoi sert les cables forcement l’hotesse les as enlever avant leurs reveils.

  649. David dit :

    Je vois que « comme tout le monde », que vous bloquez tous sur cette toupie..

    En rien étonné en fait.. puisque l’homme voit rarement plus loin que le bout de son nez, truc du genre…

    Ma théorie est bien meilleur que la votre, et je ne m’avance même pas, car c’est un peu trop évidant.

    En général dans les films américains (peut importe si l’auteur ne l’est pas), on tombe dans les mêmes clichés et pièges. Et là ? Le piège de la toupie « qui vous fait trop facilement oublier le reste du film »…

    On y vient et en voici la fin ^^: Le rêve commence tout simplement (en piégeant le héro), dans une fameuse pièce ou un étrange gars raconte que « ici c’est énorme quant on rêve, testez mes tapis volants ! » Le héros le test direct et se réveille à peine testé, et bien trop rapidement !

    Pour entendre; alors hein ? Vous voyez ^^ pas mal hein :p (et bing ! fin du film !)

    Tout le reste n’est qu’impossible en général, c’est grotesque et trop gros, bref…
    Je l’aurais vu 3 fois, j’ai la critique facile et je n’aime pas quand on nous prends pour des imbéciles, donc je suis difficile en film, mais heureusement, certain sont très bon.

    Là, le film est plongé dans un rêve ultime pour bloqué le héro net, et personne n’en parle ^^
    Allez, je vous laisse sur votre toupie qui vous l’a bien faite à l’envers tel un tour de magie qui utilise une simple distraction et hop, le public regarde ailleurs en ayant rien compris..

    Tadaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!! :)

    • Lita dit :

      Moli j’ai rien compris à ta réponse surtout….

    • Guillaume dit :

      Le mec ne se sent plus pisser^^
      En prime il est incohérent…
      En bref un bon tocard…

      • Georges Habitbol dit :

        Vous vous êtes tous plantés comme des rois!
        Car l’évidence est là devant nous!
        Ils ne sont pas dans la réalité du début jusqu’à la fin du film.
        Car la solution UNIVERSELLE de cette énigme est la suivante: c’est un FILM!!!!!!
        Ils sont tous issus du réalisateur, donc en somme ils sont tous des propres projections de ce dernier!(qui plus est, sur une toile sans vouloir faire le fanfaron!!!)
        L’inception est au final exercé sur le téléspectateur!!!!
        Et voilà fin du casse tête…

        Ps: vous pouvez me dire merci en commentaire.

  650. bibiche908 dit :

    HAHAHA vieux puceau, tu as oublié le faite que la toupie n’est point sont totem, son totem est un anneaux et non pas un agneau espèce d’illetré . Reflechis avant d’écrire et enfin tu découvriras le chemin de la vertue jeune padawan. Sagesse tu obtiendras, si réflechire tu feras.
    Que la force avec toi et avec votre esprit
    Patapapoutchi <3

  651. vincent dit :

    moi je pense que la fin est la suivante:

    la toupie n’est pas le totem de cobb, c’est celui de sa femme.
    dans les rêves de cobb, il est toujours marié a mall, le totem de cobb est donc une alliance qui est a son doigt seulement dans ses rêves.

    donc dans la derniere scene, quand cobb lance la toupie, il n’a aucune bague, il est donc dans la realité

  652. steph dit :

    Lol assez drôle de voir les idées de chacun. Nolan a fait exprès de faire un film ouvert à toute explication. Ca permet de buzzer. Moi mon interprétation est la suivante:
    Le film est bien encré dans le réel (on le voit lors des test du totem toupie). A partir du moment où Cobb est endormi dans la piece secrette du chimiste, il ne se reveil pas. Comment j’en viens là? Et bien au moment où Cobb teste la toupie après son reveil, il la fait tomber et il ne la reteste pas après. Cet élément n’est pas là par hasard, Nolan ne veut pas nous montrer de suite qu’il est encore dans le rêve (ou dans un autre développement on pourrait dire que c’est pour embrouiller le spectateur encore une fois). En fait, ne trouvez vous pas que l’inception qu’on nous montre dans le film est quelque peu simple et pourquoi faire tourner cette inception autour d’un personnage secondaire de l’intrigue? Tout simplement parce que c’est juste de la poudre aux yeux. Mais pour qui? pour Cobb. En fait le film est là pour nous montrer une équipe qui va effectuer une extraction sur Cobb pour qu’il fasse le deuil de sa femme. Lorsqu’ils l’oublie enfin, et lorsqu’il se reveil dans l’avion, on est dans le reel. D’aileurs ses enfants ont enfin grandi, contrairement à ses souvenirs dans tout le film. Comment je sais qu’ils ont grandi? regardez le générique et vous verrez qu’il y a deux ages différents pour chacun des enfants. A la fin, la toupie est vraiment en train de vasiller. En fait je traduirais même ça par: la toupie vasille, Cobb est sorti du rêve et Nolan nous a tous endormi (d’où l’écran noir de fin lol). C’est ma version tout comme chacun a la sienne

    • MoniaK dit :

      Steph, en y réfléchissant je pense que ta théorie ne peut pas être complètement fausse.
      Juste avant que Cobb ne s’endorme dans cette pièce secrète, le chimiste lui demande « Est-ce que vous rêvez encore, Monsieur Cobb ? » et c’est à ce moment là qu’il ne répond pas, peut être un indice sans importance mais qui pourrai être en relation avec le reste du film.
      Un autre, juste après ce passage, le vieillard dit à Cobb que le rêve des personnes étant dans la salle était devenu leur réalité, il lui demande ensuite s’il comprend ça, Cobb paraît alors intrigué …
      Mais si alors ce qui paraîtra réalité après son soit disant « réveil » après qu’il ai prit le sédatif n’est qu’un rêve, comme l’a expliqué steph, toute l’histoire change subitement …

      Un beau film à méditer encore et encore …

  653. alex dit :

    Les mecs, vous êtes barges, jamais un scénariste ne penserait à tout ce que vous dites, et les erreurs de scripte ça existe aussi. Vous interprété ce film comme si c’était la bible :D

  654. Itachi dit :

    Cette théorie est fausse, pour la souligner regarder c’que j’ai trouvé ailleurs, et que j’ai démonté sans attendre : « 1/ Tout le film est un rêve
    On peut supposer que Mal, la femme de Cobb, avait raison, et qu’ils n’étaient pas revenus à la réalité. En gros, Le monde qu’ils avaient créé était un monde de niveau 2. Ils se suicident ensemble pour revenir à la réalité car ils ont oublié qu’ils sont au niveau 2. Lorsqu’ils se réveillent, Cobb se croit dans la réalité, mais c’est Mall qui a raison, il s sont au niveau 1 des rêves. En se suicidant une fois de plus, Mall retourne donc à la réalité. Cobb est dans un rêve du début à la fin du film mais ne s’en rend même plus compte.
    2/ Cobb reste perdu dans les limbes
    Une autre théorie, assez tordue mais très interessante est possible. Et si Saito « vieux », lors de sa rencontre avec Cobb, l’avait abattu et plongé dans un autre niveau de rêve, encore plus profond que les limbes, ou Cobb obtient enfin la libération qu’il attendait ? Ainsi, le monde dans lequel Cobb réunit son équipe pour le braquage est réel, mais à la fin, il ne retournerait pas ce monde réel mais resterait perdu dans les limbes, avec les projections de ses amis, tous focalisés sur lui. »

    Je vais démonter la théorie des dreamers en même pas 10s !!!! J’suis désolé mais ça me rend trop dingue d’avoir lu ces conneries sans les démonter sur le champ. En imaginant (je dis bien en imaginant parce que bien évidement c’est très loin d’être le cas) que tout ceux qui ont choisi de choisir cette fin sont sain d’esprit et d’oté d’un intellect non négligeable, alors ils sont surement tous mazo en plus du fait d’etre totalement à coté de leurs pompes, oui, d’un parce que cette fin est tragique, et de deux parce qu’ils ont rien compris, je m’explique :

    - Donc pour certains Cobb est dans un rêves depuis le début c’est ça ? Le Niveau 2 d’après c’que j’ai lu (le 0 étant la réalité), et donc Mall à eu raison de se suicider pour retourner plus haut* (haut que vous croyez etre la réalité) => BREF => conneries !
    UN : Ils sont resté 50 ans dans leurs monde, et je rapelle que meme sous sédation hyper puissante et amélioré spécialement pour cette mission, le niveau 3 ne dure que DIX ANS, donc le seul moyen pour eux d’atteindre une tel durée sans ce produit était tout simplement de déscendre tout au fond, dans le seul endroit ou il n’y a pas de limitation => Les lymbes Messieurdames, les lymbes, soit le 4ème niveau, et non le 2ème. Après quoi Cobb décida qu’il était temps de partir, vieux ou jeune peut importe, la manipula pour la convaincre parce qu’elle avait choisi d’oublier que ce niveau n’était pas réel, et la ramena à la réalité en se prenant un train et en remontant jusqu’au niveau zero.
    DEUX : Suposont qu’ils étaient bien au niveau 2, ok, elle c’est suicidé, donc elle est retourné au niveau 1 ou Cobb dors à coté d’elle => Bah elle peut le reveiller en moins de 2s bordel, claque dans sa gueule, seau d’eau ect. Et meme si elle pouvait pas parce que Cobb serait sous sédatif hyper puissant, ce qui est impossible parce que sinon elle aussi le serait et au lieu de remonter au 1 se serait cassé dans les lymbes, bah elle n’aurait eu cas se rebrancher et aller le chercher en le tuant sans sa permission pour le faire remonter. Voila.

    Quant à la théorie selon laquelle Saito aurait tué Cobb et que celui-ci serait partie dans un tout autre niveau de lymbe pour toujours cet fois-ci, bah non, parce que Cobb est sortie des lymbes en se suicidant avec sa femme rappelez-voys, tout comme la gamine et Shifer en sont sortie en s’écrasant, donc tous en sont sortie par la mort, et si Saito à tué Cobb, bah Cobb en est sortie, et est revenu directement au niveau 0 (puisqu’il était en retard donc deja mort dans tout les autres niveaux).

    Je commenterai meme pas le troisième machin du mec de Lost parce qu’en plus de rien avoir à foutre ici c’est de la merde, rien a voir avec la théorie de fin du film sérieux.

    En esperant en avoir eclairé plus d’un, ciao.

    • Xeetrohn dit :

      Itachi, ton hypothèse est fausse et ton soit disant raisonnement logique pour démonter les thèse pro-rêves sont fausse en un point capitale qui fait que tout le raisonnement s’effondre.
      Lors de l’inception de Fisher aucun des personnages ne remontent par la mort, ils remontent par un coup de fouet, soit une chute. Or il est dis dans le film que sous l’influence de sédatif, si l’on meurt on tombe dans les limbes. Donc si Saïto tue Cobb avec le flingue, alors Cobb descend dans les Limbes et façonne ça propre réalité, soit la fin du film. Revoit le film pour comprendre toute les subtilités ;)
      La différence entre le suicide de Cobb&Mall et la mort de Cobb par Saïto c’est qu’ils n’étaient pas sous sédatif, donc le suicide est efficace, cependant, si Saïto tue Cobb alors celui si tombe dans les limbes A CAUSE DU SÉDATIF. Revoit ton jugement avant de traiter les gens de con car en faite c’est surement toi qui n’a pas compris toute la complexité du film !

  655. un visionnaire dit :

    Je pense pour ma part que l’inception a été faite sur Saito !!

  656. nigun dit :

    Bien que le post date, je ne peux pas m’empêcher après plusieurs re-visionnages de trouver une explication.
    Il y a bien une explication non rationnelle mais assez logique qui résoudrait bien des points.

    L’hypothèse de départ : Nous créons notre propre réalité.

    Si nous prenons en compte cette hypothèse comme étant réelle, alors tous les points « obscurs » s’expliquent.
    A force de mélanger rêve et réalité, Cobb réduit petit à petit la frontière entre fiction et réel (la preuve quand Mall lui parle dans les limbes, notamment au sujet des multinationales qui le pourchassent dans sa vie « soi-disant » réelle), jusqu’à créer sa réalité, entre rêves, fiction et souvenirs.

    Il ne « rêve » plus, et n’est pas non plus dans la véritable réalité, mais dans un monde cousu de toute pièce par son mental et ses émotions.
    Et avec cette explication, la plupart des choses s’imbriquent parfaitement.

    De plus, je préfère imaginer cette fin, autre que simplement « réel/rêve », qui porte un message autrement plus saisissant.

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  658. Cobb dit :

    Non ce n’est pas mon avis, on est très loin de la vérité ! Et c’est pour cela que Saito ne regarde pas Cobb dans l’aréoport, pour casser l’argument que c ‘cobb le rêveur » ( Saito prouve la réalité et tu oublies que les autres n’ont pas vécu l’Inception que Cobb a fait sur lui – donc peut-être est-il lui à un niveau de réalité supérieur). Quoiqu’il en soit voici L’ANALYSE DRAMATURGIQUE d’INCEPTIOn. Enjoy ! On y parle entre autre des trosi Inceptions du film :)
    http://benjaminkframery.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/analyse-dramaturgique-d%E2%80%99inception/

    • clad dit :

      D’accord avec cette thèse pour une autre raison supplémentaire: le père de Cobb est prof à Paris, or à la fin du film il se retrouve aux états-unis dans l’aéroport… illogique… la fin du film est bien un rêve.

  659. HoHio dit :

    J’aimerais comprendre pourquoi Cobb et keito ne se disent pas la même chose dans le flashback en debut de film et a la fin du film? J’ai l’impression que tous le film est le rêve de cobb qui tourne en rond ds les lymbes. A la fin du film quand il revoit keito, il termine ces fin de phrases et le regarde avec une impression de déja-vu comme si il avait déja vécu tous ça. Le debut du film n’est pas un flashforward.C’est juste la fin d’une boucle qui reprend a la scene suivante et Cobb y trouve la sortie a la fin du film.

  660. Tito dit :

    Il y a un mot dans le film que je n’ai pas très bien compris : « catharsis ». Et j’aimerais bien savoir ce que cela signifie. Merci :)